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What do you guys think about this?
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Buuberries	Aug 12 2013, 05:38 PM Post #16
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Quote: If you were brought up your whole life by a stern father who had everything against people choosing to be gay blah blah blah you shouldn't be labeled an a*** for feeling uncomfortable around gay people, can't just flip a switch and be happy with something you were told virtually every day not to have any part in because it's "wrong" In social psychology, attitudes, whether in favour or disfavour of it, involves feelings, beliefs, and behaviour. If you've been brought up around that kind of environment and end up holding those beliefs yourself and act on it because they arouse whatever feelings within you, then uhhh yeah that does make you an arsehole depending on what those beliefs and behaviours are. It's like if Hitler attributed his hatred for other races on his father or long lost uncle that abused him as a child that no one knew about. Does that make everything he did not as bad all of a sudden? Quote: I can confidently say that most people, including myself, don't give a damn what other people think internally regarding this topic. As long as they keep it to themselves, that's fine. The problem is, a lot of people don't Therein lies the problem. Discrimination can be contained somewhat because of equality laws and all that s. Even with those, however, people can still have hatred for certain groups. What needs to be tackled is prejudice. Diminishment of discrimination will follow after that. Unfortunately people try to work it the other way around. Edited by Buuberries*, Aug 12 2013, 05:48 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM Post #17
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Sure, it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes, but that short look at the topic should show that person that there's something wrong with their view on the situation, leading them to research it and become informed.



Buuberries	Aug 12 2013, 06:09 PM Post #18
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Quote: If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Someone dislikes specific group X >puts on a facade in public to make it seem he or she doesn't care >doesn't feel the need to hold back in private and makes comments about it at home and around friends whether they feel the same or not >has children 10 years later >displays negative behaviour towards specific group X around children >Children develop the same attitudes Now consider a group of them and processes such as group polarisation taking place whereby the beliefs of the group are exagerrated to a higher level than what's held by the individuals. All that and a bunch of other s* I can't be bothered to type up. It's a disease that spreads. The only way to get tackle it is at its source: prejudice. Edited by Buuberries**, Aug 12 2013, 06:10 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 12 2013, 06:16 PM Post #19
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Buuberries Aug 12 2013, 06:09 PM Quote: If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Someone dislikes specific group X >puts on a facade in public to make it seem he or she doesn't care >doesn't feel the need to hold back in private and makes comments about it at home and around friends whether they feel the same or not >has children 10 years later >displays negative behaviour towards specific group X around children >Children develop the same attitudes Now consider a group of them and processes such as group polarisation taking place whereby the beliefs of the group are exagerrated to a higher level than what's held by the individuals. All that and a bunch of other s*** I can't be bothered to type up. It's a disease that spreads. The only way to get tackle it is at its source: prejudice. Yes, I understand that, but is eliminating prejudice a more achievable goal?



Buuberries	Aug 12 2013, 06:18 PM Post #20
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	I've read about ways it's been reduced a lot in classrooms and s***, but just not at a national level... at least not yet.
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 12 2013, 06:25 PM Post #21
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Buuberries Aug 12 2013, 06:18 PM I've read about ways it's been reduced a lot in classrooms and s***, but just not at a national level... at least not yet. What do you suggest? Reducing prejudice in classrooms is a good start and it could be argued that it's a gradual change, but that would take an entire generation. Seein' as there's no instant solution, why not mix the two options? People keep their personal feelings to themselves and the issue of prejudice is tackled in classrooms, countering the prejudiced influences from parents and such.



Buuberries	Aug 12 2013, 07:16 PM Post #22
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	To at least not ignore the problem. There's a lot of s* to factor in as well like how much the government is willing to spend on it and crap. Even if it's tackled in classrooms at a young age, that still leaves the home and the influence of people outside of school. It's pretty difficult since I don't think prejudices can ever be vanquished from human nature without controlling people, but reducing it is a million times better than ignoring it. Although I guess if psychological research ever got to be so advanced to the point where thought-police and behavioural control existed, I'd be against that s* as well.
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daman	Aug 12 2013, 07:22 PM Post #23
I am guilty sorry everyone. RIP Emile Griffith. Jeremy Kyle is a prick. go make sumin of urself Posts: 523 Group: Duplicate Member #9,568 Joined: June 2, 2013 Favourite Anime Gintama, Space Brothers, You and Me, One Piece Favourite Manga RRR, All Rounder Meguru, No.6	Drew Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Sure, it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes, but that short look at the topic should show that person that there's something wrong with their view on the situation, leading them to research it and become informed. Lol how is that not a problem? So it's ok for someone to discriminate against you and have a profound affect on your life as long as they don't tell you why they're doing it? Wow. And people hardly always have time to sit around researching everything, and even when spending a lot of time researching something it's hard to always find good sources and be able to come to an even near-definite conclusion. edit: And eliminating prejudice is quite achievable. You only have to look at how your own society has changed to see that.... Edited by daman, Aug 12 2013, 07:27 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 12 2013, 07:43 PM Post #24
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	daman Aug 12 2013, 07:22 PM Drew Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Sure, it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes, but that short look at the topic should show that person that there's something wrong with their view on the situation, leading them to research it and become informed. Lol how is that not a problem? So it's ok for someone to discriminate against you and have a profound affect on your life as long as they don't tell you why they're doing it? Wow. And people hardly always have time to sit around researching everything, and even when spending a lot of time researching something it's hard to always find good sources and be able to come to an even near-definite conclusion. edit: And eliminating prejudice is quite achievable. You only have to look at how your own society has changed to see that.... You misunderstand. They're outwardly showing no hate / fear. It doesn't matter why they appear that way, but the fact is that they do. It doesn't matter why they're outwardly appearing tolerant of homosexuality, what matters is that they are. Can you explain to me how eliminating prejudice is 'quite achievable'? Sure, a lot of people have learned that a lot of views and attitudes are incorrect, offensive and wrong, but there are still many people who haven't. Racism is still a thing, so is sexism, elitism and so many other -isms.



+ Steve	Aug 12 2013, 08:56 PM Post #25
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Buuberries Aug 12 2013, 05:38 PM If you've been brought up around that kind of environment and end up holding those beliefs yourself and act on it because they arouse whatever feelings within you, then uhhh yeah that does make you an arsehole depending on what those beliefs and behaviours are. I was saying if you were brought up in that environment, didn't like homosexuality and didn't act on it, that wouldn't make you an a***. You have an excuse to not like it in that case, but it's not a valid excuse for anything like protesting or bullying gay people, a* behaviour. If you were brought up to hate homosexuals you don't have an obligation to force yourself to like homosexuality, there's no point to that, if people don't like it then leave them be everyone is different. If people don't like it and tell you that you shouldn't either, then you can get mad at them. Quote: If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. There is no problem there. But people still have a problem with it, the Morgan post, that's aimed at any and everyone who don't like gay people, whether they voice that opinion or not. Homophobe is used(incorrectly) to mean anyone who simply doesn't like homosexuality, calling them all a* is an a*** thing to say.
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daman	Aug 13 2013, 02:58 PM Post #26
I am guilty sorry everyone. RIP Emile Griffith. Jeremy Kyle is a prick. go make sumin of urself Posts: 523 Group: Duplicate Member #9,568 Joined: June 2, 2013 Favourite Anime Gintama, Space Brothers, You and Me, One Piece Favourite Manga RRR, All Rounder Meguru, No.6	Drew Aug 12 2013, 07:43 PM daman Aug 12 2013, 07:22 PM Drew Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM If a person outwardly acts as if they're not hateful/fearful of homosexuals, does it really matter? They might just do it to appear nice and decent, but at the end of the day, they're still doing it. I don't really see a problem there. Sure, it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes, but that short look at the topic should show that person that there's something wrong with their view on the situation, leading them to research it and become informed. Lol how is that not a problem? So it's ok for someone to discriminate against you and have a profound affect on your life as long as they don't tell you why they're doing it? Wow. And people hardly always have time to sit around researching everything, and even when spending a lot of time researching something it's hard to always find good sources and be able to come to an even near-definite conclusion. edit: And eliminating prejudice is quite achievable. You only have to look at how your own society has changed to see that.... You misunderstand. They're outwardly showing no hate / fear. It doesn't matter why they appear that way, but the fact is that they do. It doesn't matter why they're outwardly appearing tolerant of homosexuality, what matters is that they are. Can you explain to me how eliminating prejudice is 'quite achievable'? Sure, a lot of people have learned that a lot of views and attitudes are incorrect, offensive and wrong, but there are still many people who haven't. Racism is still a thing, so is sexism, elitism and so many other -isms. Nope think you misunderstand what I'm saying on that. If someone in a position of power outwardly shows no hate/fear, they can still use their hate/fear as a basis for making decisions that discriminate against a certain group. Like an employer can choose not to hire someone because of their sexual orientation/gender/skin colour. I'm saying it's not enough for someone to just be less overt about their discrimination, because if they are in a position of authority they can still do about as much damage. Societies worldwide always shift their views, and the same is true when it comes to people's prejudices. In the UK for example racial prejudices have decreased, and while not fully gone by any means this shows that progress is definitely possible. As for whether or not prejudices can be totally eliminated, people aren't born with these prejudices, they are learnt, so it should be possible to slowly prevent more and more people from learning prejudices. Where there are people who are still prejudice they're only that way because they haven't been exposed to the right environment for nurturing non-prejudice views. If society makes an effort slowly more people's environments will change (as in what they're taught in school and at home, what they're shown in the press, whether or not they find themselves victimised by specific groups leading them to dislike that group) and prejudices will slowly go with that. I don't think all prejudices are going to go away because that would take too much effort as new trends and customs (which can be used to group people together) constantly come and go, but at least the ones based on things that someone themselves can't change about themselves (like gender, sexual orientation, skin colour, height) can be eliminated, but it won't happen by itself and without society changing a lot.
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